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Month: July 2016
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As a mere individual I may be of little or no significance; but as a member of the tribe, I am very significant. My tribe is important in the eyes of God (or History), and so I too am important to God.The Burden of Unforgiveness by Patrick Miron
Today’s Thought
by Patrick Miron
A meditation as we grow older
“By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John.13:35
The Burden of un forgiveness
As I consider this topic, the visual image that first comes to my mind is my hand pointing a finger in accusing someone of some perceived-offence against me. This is a telling image of the condition of my soul, because the very instant that I am doing this, that same hand has three fingers pointing back at me. And how very appropriate, how very telling that is.
Being a self-professed Christian, I claim to “know Jesus as my Personal Lord and savior.” But do I really? … Do I just give Jesus “lip-service” or do I actually {at least make a sincere effort to try to} KNOW, Love and Serve and fully obey Him in all that I do?
Isaiah 43: verses 7 & 21 “[7] everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.” & [21] the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”
Question for myself… SELF, do I by my actions, by my life choices give to My God ALL of the Glory, all of the obedience, all the humility that He seeks from me?
Below is perhaps the best known prayer in the entire word. It contains the very foundation – the commands and God’s own expectations for our salvation, if rightly understood; IF fully and correctly applied to our own lives. Do we see as we should that … Life is a ‘”God-Test.” …
Mathew 6: [9] Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. [11] Give us this day our daily bread; [12] And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; [13] And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. [14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; [15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses”
What does this teaching mean to me; to my life, my salvation? Well it means exactly what it says. Here Jesus Himself is quoted as teaching us that He is willing to forgive us anything and everything, But and IF only we in turn forgive everyone for everything that they have done against us. And we are to expect in Divine Justice, to be forgiven for our sins, our transgressions, only to the very same degree that we choose to forgive everyone else.
Luke.6:[41] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? [42] Or how can you say to your brother, `Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye”
Question for self… SELF, is this teaching consistent with other bible teachings? Can we {anyone} presume to dictate to God how He must, how He will save them? …. On what authority might one make such an assumption?
Rom.13: [10] Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law”
John.14: [23] Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Matt.5 Verses 43 to 46 “[43] “You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [45] so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mark.12 Verses 30 to 31 “[30] and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ [31] The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Luke.6 Verses 27 to 33 “[27] “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. [29] To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. [30] Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. [31] And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. [32] “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
John.13 Verses 34 to 35 “[34] A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. [35] By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Question for self… SELF, Is Gods Mercy unlimited or without conditions {Is everyone saved?}
Ps.23: [6] Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD forever.
My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?
Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith”
Ps.119: [156] Great is thy mercy, O LORD; give me {eternal} life according to thy justice.
Isa.30: [18] Therefore the LORD waits to be gracious to you; therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you. For the LORD is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him
Lam.2: [2] The Lord has destroyed without mercy all the habitations of Jacob;
in his wrath he has broken down the strongholds of the daughter of Judah;
he has brought down to the ground in dishonor the kingdom and its rulers.
4Ezra.1: [25] Because you have forsaken me, I also will forsake you. When you beg mercy of me, I will show you no mercy.
Matt.5: [7] “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Matt.18: [33] and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’
Luke.1: [50] And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation
Luke.10: [37] He said {replied}, “The one who showed mercy on him.” And Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”
Jas.2: [13] For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy; yet mercy triumphs over judgment.
Question for self… SELF: What then is the “burden of un-forgiveness?”
It seems very clear, very evident in the bible that God who can be defined briefly as “All Good Things Perfected” does indeed set conditions for our salvation {whether we know them or not, and whether we accept them or nor has no relevance, no effect on our eternal –life.} … by asking ourselves are “goodness and fairness good things?” And of course they are, we can know that God has to determine our Eternal life based on Not what we choose to believe or what we choose to accept {for whatever reasons”} No! God will, because God must, pass Judgment upon each of us based on what He God has made possible for us to know, to believe, to practice. Why? Because doing so is both “fair and just.” Doing so is God being GOD.
That then is the burden that we can, and we must choose to create for ourselves…. {It is our freewill choice as is heaven and hell}; a choice each of us must make for ourselves. And that means that God has to keep His Word, to forgive each of us ONLY to the same-degree that we freely choose to forgive everyone, for everything bad they have done to us. Matthew 6:12.
Deut.30: [19] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live” … Amen!
God Bless you!
Patrick
A common way to DENY God by Patrick Miron
Welcome
Christianity has two incomprehensible profound Mysteries. The Blessed Trinity and the Most Holy Eucharist, Catholic Holy Communion, where Christ Himself is made “Truly, Really and Substanually Present; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity”… The COMPLETE Christ. The Theological term describing this act is “Traunsbstanuation.”
This is PURELY and Solely a Godly Miracle.
From God the Father
Of God the Son
By God the Holy Spirit through by God’s choice, the hands of His Catholic priest.
“Do this in memory of Me.” Luke 22:19
What is often not understood in the “error of the deserters & deniers ” … John 6: verses 28,30,41-42, and 61. They assume in ERROR that Jesus was speaking of His Cardinal body. NO! Jesus speaks here of His Glorified, Risen and now Perfect Body. A body very real but at the same time devine; able to pass through walls and locked doors.
This was clearly understood by Peter and the Apostles, who when asked by Christ: Cf. ‘Do you wish to call me a liar and desert Me too” replied: … John 6: 68-70 “[68] Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? [69] And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. [70] And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.”
This belief is born out in Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14: 22-24; Luke 22:19-21 and Paul in 1st. Cor. 11: 23-29.
So we have the testimony of God Himself and FIVE authors of the Bible. Amen!
Genesis 1:29 where it was God ORIGINAL plan for humanity to not eat meat. This is changed by God after the Flood and the Burnt Offering Noah made to God of all “clean living animals”: Gen.9: 1-4 “And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the air, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.”
John 20:28-29 “Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed.”
NOT understanding, NOT accepting, NOT believing in the Real Presence is factually denial of GOD! Amen!
God Bless you,
Patrick
FAITH {reblogged}
Faith
A Divine Intimacy Meditation
Presence of God – O Lord, grant that I may understand the great value of faith.
MEDITATION
“Without faith, it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6) because faith is the foundation of all our relations with Him. For the man without faith, God has neither meaning, nor value, nor place in his life. On the other hand, the more lively our faith is, the more God enters into our life until finally He becomes our all, the one great reality for which we live, and the One for whom we courageously face sorrow and death. It is only when faith has deeply penetrated a soul that it can exclaim with St. Paul, “For whether we live, we live unto the Lord, or whether we die, we die unto the Lord” (Romans 14:8). We do not lack faith, but it is not sufficiently alive and practical to make us see God in everything and over everything, thus giving us the sense of His essential, transcendent, and eternal reality, which infinitely surpasses all the immediate, contingent, and passing realities of this life. Faith does not depend upon data received through the senses, on what we can see and touch, nor is it reduced to what we can understand with the intellect, but surpassing all this, it makes us share in God’s own knowledge, in His thoughts, in His understanding. Having raised us to the state of divine sonship, God has made us capable of sharing His intimate life, His life of knowledge and love. For this purpose, He has given us the theological virtues together with grace. Faith allows us to share His life of knowledge, and charity, His life of love.
Faith enables us to know God as He knows Himself, although certainly not exhaustively. God knows Himself not only as the Creator but also as the Trinity and as the Author of grace; it is under these aspects that faith presents Him to us. By faith, we know creatures as He knows them, that is, in relation to Him and dependent upon Him. Our intellect can give us only natural light on God and creatures; faith, on the contrary, gives us the supernatural light that is a participation in the light of God, in the knowledge God has of Himself and of creatures.
COLLOQUY
“O faith of Christ, my Spouse, I turn to You who enclose and conceal within yourself the form and beauty of my Beloved. You are the clear, limpid fount, free from error, from which the waters of all spiritual good flow to the soul. Did You not assure the Samaritan woman, O Christ, that in those who believe in You would surge a fountain whose waters would spring up into everlasting life?
“O faith, such is the likeness between yourself and God, that there is no other difference, save that which exists between seeing God and believing in Him. For even as God is infinite, so You set Him before us as infinite; and as He is Three and One, so You set Him before us as Three and One; and as God is darkness to our understanding, even so do You blind and dazzle our understanding. And thus, O Lord, by this means alone, You manifest Yourself to the soul in divine light which passes all understanding. Increase, then, O Lord, my faith, for the stronger my faith is, the more closely shall I be united to You.
“O my soul, as God is inaccessible, do not concern Yourself with how much your faculties can comprehend and your senses can perceive, that You be not satisfied with less than God, and lose not the swiftness that is needful to attain to Him. But walk in naked, pure faith, which alone is the proximate and proportionate means to your union with God” (John of the Cross, Spiritual Canticle 12,1-3 – Ascent of Mount Carmel II, 9,1 – Spiritual Maxims 1,52).
“O infinite Wisdom, O eternal, infinite God, You want to be understood by Your creature because You are the sovereign Good. It can do so, understanding You in the way You show Yourself to it under the veil of faith. It is indeed a veil, but it is translucent since Your word illumines and gives light to the humble. Nevertheless, just as it is impossible for You not to be God, so it is impossible for Your creature to understand You fully. He who wishes to attain to the sublime state of union with You, O Lord, must have great faith. Being the sovereign, infinite, immense, and unsearchable Good, You can be understood only by Yourself. But the more the soul believes in You, so much the more will it come to unite itself to You and participate in Your grandeur” (cf. St. Mary Magdalen dei Pazzi).
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A REPLY to Robert Shaw & all Protestants
July 3, 2016 at 2:12 pm PST
[QUOTE]#8 Robert Shaw – Launching, Prince Edward Island,
(i realize that this is not politically correct)
It took 16 years for the catholic church to curse people in the reformation.
Did it work was it successful–?[/QUOTE]
“To curse people” … WHEW, do you ever have THAT wrong!
I assume your speaking here of the Catholic Church & the 16th Century Council of TRENT {1545-1563}
- First of all the RCC has taught long before the Protestant revolution” “Love the sinner BUT Hate the sin,” and this same teaching continues even to today and the future as well.
- While TRENT did re-clarify the TEACHINGS of the RCC, the RCC did not wait until TRENT to express Her grave sorrow at the “Protestant Reformation” which more accurately ought to be termed a “revolution”, { as that was its intent} and to refute the great many VERY human innovations designed to actually compete with God’s One Tue Church, as verified both in secular history and the bible itself. That flowed through it.
For example: Mt 10:1- 8
Mt, 16:15-19 “[15] He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
[16] Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
[17] And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
John 17:17-20 “[1] And he called to him his twelve disciples and GAVE THEM authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. [2] The names of the twelve apostles are these FIRST Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb’edee, and John his brother; [3] Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; [4] Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him. [5] These twelve Jesus sent out, charging THEM, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, [6] but go {YOU} rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [7] And preach as YOU go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ [8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.”
Mt 28:18-20 “[18] And Jesus came and said to THEM, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [19] {YOU} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded YOU; and lo, I am with YOU always, to the close of the age.”
John 6: 47-59 “[47] Truly, truly, I say to YOU, he who believes has eternal life.
[48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. [50] This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” [52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” [53] So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; [54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. [56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. {WHICH IS PRECISLY WHAT TAKES PLACE IN CATHOLIC HOLY COMMUNION} [57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. [58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”
John 20:19-23 “[19] On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” [20] When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. [21] Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” [22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [23] If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
So now A question for you:
IF YOU choose not to believe these clearly worded teachings, WHY do you think they even appear in the bible?
- Your reference to the RCC cursing I presume are a reference to the Cannons issued by TRENT and their anathemas? That dear friend is certainly NOT “cursing”
Correctly understood they are only teachings; teachings that the RCC is obligated to share based on Matthew 28:19-20. There is no condemnation intended EXCEPT that which is self-selected by denial of these God commanded truths.
God CAN’T send anyone to hell, NOR can His Catholic Church. … Hell is a personal choice, as is heaven that only WE can make AND God affirms.
[QUOTE]were there signs following ? as in mark 16:15-20?
Mark 16:16-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.[/QUOTE]
The Key and unheeded; not understood {see my earlier lengthy comments about WHY this is condition in my post to “Benasinneru2” also posted today} centers around the word “believes” {Which is NOT synonymous with “invent to compete with LONG established Faith and Moral truths}
“To believe is to in humility accept the TRUTH which HAS to be singular per defined issue and can be nothing else. Many of the Protestant {which actually means to PROTEST!} faith positions such as:
One God; One and only One set of Faith beliefs and One and Only One TRUE Church {Jesus “MY Church singular” … Mt 16:18; Yahweh “My Chosen People” …. Exodus 6:7
Such as the REAL Presence: Mt 26, Mk, 14, Lk, 22, John 6 and Paul 1st Cor.11
Such as Sacramental Confession as proven biblically and historically established arlier
Such as the Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Jesus Christ {explicitly or implicitly}
Unbelief objectively and biblically actually COMPETE with the desires of Jesus Christ our God.
THAT my friend is hardly a solid foundation for professed “belief.”
[QUOTE]17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they[a] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
After all it was through that authority that the Council of Trent declared:
125 council of trent 125 anathema’s
the Catholic Church puts curses on people. Popes and bishops have tried to damn people to hell.
No other group — not even Satanists — tries to consign people to hell.[/QUOTE]
WOW! Are you UNDER-INFORMED!
- The Catholic Church neither condemns, NOR sends anyone to Hell. THAT dear friend is a PERSONAL freely made choice.
- The RCC does however express what constitutes a Mortal sin AND the means and method for all sin-forgiveness. Also covered earlier. AND She does this as commanded BY GOD. Also covered in detail earlier.
1 John 5: 10 & 18-20 “[10] He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son. …
Mt. 28: 19-20 19 {YOU} “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded YOU; and lo, I am with YOU always, to the close of the age
My friend IF you actually comprehend fully & correctly what you talked about, it would be slanderous! BUT your uttering are formed in ignorance; only speculation and subjective wishing. Nothing more.
[QUOTE]Only the Catholic Church does that. And it is done at the highest level — popes, cardinals, and bishops.
Some Satanists and voodoo practitioners try to persuade people to make pacts with the devil.
If the people decide to make a pact with the devil, it is voluntary. It is their decision — not something forced on them by other people.[/QUOTE]
WOW, and you consider yourself an Actual Christian? … I seem to recall the Bible teaching us cf. “They will know us by our LOVE?”
[QUOTE]yes the catholic confession system, is designed for the carnal catholic, who is not spiritually born again, and functions wiwith the power and presence of the Holy Spirit[/QUOTE]
My friend your lack of right understanding is showing. READ if you will my objective evidence of what Jesus who is GOD COMMNDS, DEMANDS AND DESIRES as shared earlier.
John 5: 43-48 “[43] You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:[45] That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust. [46] For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? do not even the publicans this? [47] And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? do not also the heathens this? [48] Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.”
[QUOTE]As Saint Paul said we are all called to the ministry of reconciliation
2 Corinthians 5:11-21 – The Ministry of Reconciliation –
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. … 2 Corinthians 5:17 Or Christ, that person is a new creation.
and yes we all can Loose the power of the Holy Spirit into people’s lives with the 9+ gifts of the Kingdom that changes peoples lives.
1 cor 14:25
1 Corinthians 14:25 NKJV – And thus the secrets of his heart are …
And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.[/QUOTE]
My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? Which BTW is a Catholic Book.
Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another
Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility;[it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or lean Christ Faith”
2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay bible explanation]
[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes
Mt 7:21] “Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[
2nd. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”
John.20 Verses 20 to 23“On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Retired Pope Benedict XVI had this to share about TRUTH …
“There cannot be your truth and my truth, or there would be NO truth” …. I have supported my points with evidence, now you get to choose truth if your able to do so?
[QUOTE]1 Corinthians 12:1–31 –
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute…
the catholic priest confession system is designed for babies immature catholics.
as saint Paul said
The Church and Its Leaders
3 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ.
2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
3 You are still worldly. [/QUOTE]
Friend IF this were the objective-provable truth {objectively and biblically, and it is NOT!}, you’d have some credibility, but as you have accepted to believe mortal men NOT your God and the One Church and Faith that God desired and instituted.
1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
John.20 Verses 20 to 23“On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Heb.5 Verses 1 to 6 “For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness. Because of this he is bound to offer sacrifice for his own sins as well as for those of the people. And one does not take the honor upon himself, but he is called by God, just as Aaron was.”
John.15: 16 “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.”
So my friend, in closing I will ask again; WHY do you suppose these teaching from GOD even appear in the bible if they are NOT His Truth?
May God Bless you & lead you to HIS Truths,
Patrick
A REPLY to Benasinneru2 {and ALL Protestants}
Benasinneru2 commented on Knowing who YOU are: reblogged from A Safe Harbor in Jesus
A Safe Harbor is Jesus 1safeharborisjesus.wordpress.com Following Know Who You Are Fight with the sword! It’s …
[QUOTE]pattrick i find it puzzling that you post and quote someone who quotes
saint paul and his writings –[/QUOTE]
And why my friend is that? Is Saint Paul in your opinion not worthy of being quoted?
[QUOTE](and you tell people that if they pray in tongues(in the spirit)- it might be the DEVIL!!)
Luke 11:11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give …
“You fathers–if your children ask for a fish, do you give them a snake instead? … If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or …
because the standard for Saint Paul — is Acts 19
Paul in Ephesus 19 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[b] and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU!
And that friend articulates well the problem with Protestantism; they don’t actually {objectively and really} believe in Jesus, … NOT for lack of effort, NOT even for lack of desire, BUT because God {the Holy Spirit} withholds right understanding as a self-inflicted penalty because NOT one time in recorded history, certainly nowhere in the bible, is there a shred of evidence that GOD ever permitted, tolerated, accepted, overlooked, condoned, or in ANY WAY approved of competing faiths, or competing faith beliefs, which is exactly and precisely what all Protestant {MEANS “to PROTEST”} do. Hence today there are thousands of differing understandings of what can ONLY BE {objectively & truly} singular truths per defined issues.
In previous experience of sharing this I have been told “you have your truth, AND I have mine.” That is a ridiculous unsupportable, illogical and dangerous position to hold. And it is WHY Protestants struggle so mightily with comprehending what GOD {Jesus} actually taught and desires.
Right understanding is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit; and its limited acceptance by the Protestant community with its ever growing numbers of churches and there individual sets of Faith beliefs on long defined and accepted teachings is the evidence of this fact. TRUTH can only be singular per defined issue. Not even being able to discern this fact is itself the clearest evidence of God;s blocking of complete RIGHT {God’s} understanding.
It seems prudent to insert here a disclaimer.
I wish to be clear that I am NOT making an attempt to convert, or even to convenience you. THAT my friend is the exclusive right {and ability} of the Holy Spirit. NO, my task is to share objectively, facts that are sustainable and supportable with RIGHT understanding,
My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? Which BTW is a Catholic Book.
Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another
Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or lean Christ Faith”
A Second FACT is: that TRUTH can only be singular per defined issue. How this is ignored by non-Catholics is astounding. It perhaps is the clearest and most evident evidence of what I am sharing.
2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay bible explanation]
[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes
“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]
2nd. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”
John 5: 37 “And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen; and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent. You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life [Speaking of accepting the entire WORD of GOD]. I do not receive glory from men .[Meaning disobedience is rampant!] But I know that you have not the love of God within you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me” [Obey Me!]
The bible evidence of Christ {God’s} Will is evident. Clear and precise, IF rightly understood. Towards that goal, I will share and explain the RIGHT understanding of a few passages.
Confession: A Pain that Ends in Joy
Karl Keating
[QUOTE]#7 ben asinner – bolder, Colorado
certainly it is a good routine to have this as a child ,
but as an adult one should be able to have a good confession without the necessity of a priest, a act of contrition – really is effective, there should be spiritual maturity- but for the most part there is not, and many people agonize over confessing, as an adult you should be able to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit –[/QUOTE]
THAT my friend is NOT what Jesus desired, or commanded. It’s not even supportable in the Old Testament teachings.
I assume that you have read the entire bible? In doing so you had the opportunity to recognize GOD”S WILL to use “priest” {GOD”S Option}, in the process of sin forgiveness. Seeing that you somehow missed this, I will share just a bit of OT bible history with you.
Exodus 28:1
Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may minister to me in the priest’ s office: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
Because they covered the collective sins of the people as a nation. Remember, no animal was perfect enough to remove sin. The blood of an animal could only cover sin (Yom Kippur means “Day of Covering”. )
Leviticus 4:26 But the fat he shall burn upon it, as is wont to be done with the victims of peace offerings: and the priest shall pray for him, and for his sin, and it shall be forgiven him |
Leviticus 5:16
And he shall make good the damage itself which he hath done, and shall add the fifth part besides, delivering it to the priest, who shall pray for him, offering the ram, and it shall be forgiven him.
Leviticus 5:18
He shall offer of the flocks a ram without blemish to the priest, according to the measure and estimation of the sin: and the priest shall pray for him, because he did it ignorantly: and it shall be forgiven him,
Numbers 15:25
And the priest shall pray for all the multitude of the children of Israel: and it shall be forgiven them, because they sinned ignorantly, offering notwithstanding a burnt offering to the Lord for themselves and for their sin and their ignorance:
So we can clearly see here that GOD {Yahweh} freely choose His Priest to have a Role in the forgiveness of sins of His Chosen People {Exodus 6:7}. Jesus then freely choose to not only continue that Sacred Tradition, but also to, as is the role of the New Testament, to complete and even PERFECT the Old Testament.
Lev. 5:5 “When a man is guilty in any of these [sins], he shall confess the sin he has committed,”
Proverbs 28:13 “Those who conceal their sins do not prosper, but those who confess and forsake them obtain mercy.”
Sirach 4:26 “Do not be ashamed to acknowledge your sins, and do not struggle against a rushing stream.”
James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful
The Old Covenant people of God understood the necessity of confession and repentance of sins to remain in fellowship with God. All sin sacrifices began with confession of sin and all peace offerings (communion sacrifices) with a confession of praise. These Old Covenant animal sacrifices prefigured the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ (Heb 10:1-10).
2 Cor. 7: 10 “For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but worldly grief produces death.”
Matt.9 [6] “But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins” — he then said to the paralytic — “Rise, take up your bed and go home.” [8] When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to men.” {meaning BOTH to Jesus who in turn passed it on to His Apostles and their successors: Mt. 10:1-2; Mt 16:18-19; John 17: 18, John 20:21, Mt. 28:18-20}.
CONFESSION as COMMANDED BY Jesus Christ
James 4: 7-8 “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you men of double mind.” All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him”
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 Jn. 1: 9
Mt. 7: 21-23 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.”
I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD”; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin. Psalm 32:5
I confess my iniquity, I am sorry for my sin. Psalm 38: 18
Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. James 5: 16
Do not be ashamed to confess your sins, Sir. 4:26
When a man is guilty in any of these, he shall confess the sin he has committed Lev. 5:5
He shall confess his sin which he has committed; and he shall make full restitution for his wrong Num. 5:7
1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
To be clear here: MORTAL sins are those that GOD sees as grievous enough to warrant ETERNAL HELL if NOT Confessed & and Forgiven. This is man’s choice, NOT God’s. WE choose for ourselves Eternal Hell or Eternal Heaven; God only affirms OUR life choices, on which God’s Judgment will be made NOT on what we choose to accept, believe and practice, NO, this final Judgment will be made based upon what GOD HAS MADE POSSBLE FOR EACH OF US TO KNOW.
John.20 Verses 20 to 23“On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with YOU.” When he had said this, he showed THEM his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with YOU. As the Father has sent me, even so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on THEM, and said to THEM “Receive the Holy Spirit. If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
It’s hard to imagine that even GOD could be more precise and specific in the words that He choose as GOD to use. God of course could have chosen some other manner, so WHY didn’t He?… Not being able to understand this, and other precisely and clearly worded teachings such as Mt. 10: 1-2; Mt. 16:18-19, John 17:17-20, John 6: 47-58, 1st. Cor. 11:23-30, and Mt 28:18-20 as examples; prove objectively that God does withhold right understanding from the Protestant communities.
Here are some of the reasons:
It is no coincidence that not once, BUT twice in the same teaching Jesus proclaimed HIS desire for us: “PEACE BE WITH YOU”. … Sinning comes at a price. Jesus tells us is ????????????? that having written on our very hearts the most basic moral truths ???????????? that our conscience if RIGHTLY Informed which BTW means in line with Catholic Church Teachings on FAITH matters to be believed & all Moral issues {only}, will guide and warn us, and “bug us” until the GUILT is removed.
Another issue Protestants fail to grasp is the Nature of God AND the very Nature of sin. Both having significance to Sacramental Confession.
Sacramental –Confession can rightly be termed the Sacrament of KNOWN sin forgiveness.
When the Catholic Priest, empowered by Christ, grants absolution, we can KNOW with absolute certainty, that ALL of our sins HAVE been forgiven by Christ Himself. … “Peace be with YOU. As the Father has sent me, even so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on THEM, and said to THEM “Receive the Holy Spirit. If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
This is the ONLY manner; God’s NORM for man’s sins forgiveness, as commanded, as empowered and as desired by Jesus Christ {GOD!}. Any other method is at best suspect. The presumption that mortal men can and DO, dictate to GOD how He will forgive their sins, is a very risky assumption, and a post reformation 16th. Century invention & innovation. Tis fact is very much worthy of your careful and prayerful consideration.
So man’s inner peace was an primary objective of Christ institution of the Sacrament of Confession
Secondly, but on the same theme was Christ awareness of the burden we impose upon ourselves in choosing to sin, so the actual act of CONFESSING {there is an irrevocable seal of silence on the part of the priest. Literally even if threated with DEATH, they cannot revel what is shared in Sacramental Confession} itself was a removal of this self-imposed-GUILT- burden.
Thirdly: ALL of the Sacraments {seven of them ALL instituted by Christ} are a means, and an avenue of God’s grace, helpful to all in not sinning the same way again.
The ONLY unforgiveable sin is unbelief in God.
Further Sacramental Confession it is NOT a “Catholic innovation:, but CLEARLY a freely chosen DIRECTIVE from Almighty God. … Deny it at your own risk!
And we see In Mt 10: 1-2, Christ freely choose to share a portion of his Godly powers with the Apostles and their successors.
Mt 16:19 {GOD speaking here} “
[19] I will give you {all of them implied} the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
John 17:18-19 “[18] As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. [19] And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.”
John 20:21 [21] Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with YOU. As the Father has sent me, even so I send YOU.”
Four biblical examples of GOD freely choosing to share some portion of His GODLY authority and POWER with His Apostles and by necessity their successors {COMPARE Mt 10:1-8 , especially verses 5 & 6, WITH Mt 28:18-20}… BUT this is limited to the successors of the Apostles as chosen by God.
It is a common practice for non-Catholic Christians to either overlook the fact or make light of it, that the Bible is a Catholic Book.
Catholics guided by the Holy Spirit choose the 47 PT books, and Catholics actually authored the ENTIRE New Testament guided by the Holy Spirit.
16] All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.
Douay Bible explanation: [16] All scripture,: Every part of divine scripture is certainly profitable for all these ends. But, if we would have the whole rule of Christian faith and practice, we must not be content with those Scriptures, which Timothy knew from his infancy, that is, with the Old Testament alone: nor yet with the New Testament, without taking along with it the traditions of the apostles, and the interpretation of the church, to which the apostles delivered both the book, and the true meaning of it.
Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every wordthat proceedeth from the mouth of God. |
Matthew 16: 18-19 “ [18] And I say to THEE: That thou art Peter; and upon {YOU} this rock I will build my CHURCH, [SINGULAR} and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19]And I will give to THEE {ALL OF} the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever YOU shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
John 17: 17-20 “ [17] “Sanctify THEM {THE APOSTLES & SUCCESSORS} in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I HAVE ALSO SENT THEM into the world. [19] And for THEM do I sanctify myself, that THEY also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for THEM only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”
Matthew 28: 18-20 “ [18] And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.{HERE IS ANOTHER TRANSFER OF GODLY POWERS TO HIS APOSTLES & THEIR SUCCESSORS ALSO VERIFIBLE IN Jn.17:18 & Jn. 20:21} [19] Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded {COMMANDED HERE MEANS BOTH TAUGHT & COMMANDED} YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.
Douay Bible explanation :[18] All power: See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ’s church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14”
Therefore for a biblical understanding to be GOD’S Divine & Perfect Will, in an absolute sense, it MUST fully align with what the Catholic Church teaches.
{You’re chosen verses } [QUOTE]Ephesians 5 Standard Version (ESV)
[QUOTE]Walk in Love
17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.[/QUOTE]
SEE. This is exactly what I’m saying, precisely what I’m sharing. You don’t get it, because you can’t actually understand WHAT God’s Will is.
[QUOTE]Christ Has Set Us Free
5 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.[/QUOTE]
I wonder my friend just what you think this means, and why you choose it?
[QUOTE]25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.[/QUOTE]
Once again I suspect you choose a teaching that you do not FULLY grasp. This speaks of OBEDIENCE in the very midst of what Protestantism objectively is: Disobedience.
God Bless you! I pray this will give you pause to consider.
Patrick
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