Suffering exist: WHY? by Pat Miron

[QUOTE]Thank you for this. I will focus on these questions next time I feel angry about something.

Quote:
Originally Posted by……………
Yes it does… I found prayer did not help.. but time does ease the pain,, then it does depend on what it was in the first place.. but it does help if others realise just what they have done helps as well…. it took a long time but I forgive ..

Thank you. I don’t think that in my case the person will ever realise what they’ve done. But I don’t expect that anymore. I think I have forgiven them, but the hurt is so deep and profound that it will take years for it to be less intense.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps dear friend, it might be good to revisit the purpose of suffering in our lives?

Whether we know it, or like it; God remains always in charge. Everything that happens, from the most insignificant to Life-Changing occurrences; and everyone that crosses our life’s path, happens because God’s “handprints” are on it.

Everything happens for 1 of 2 reasons

1. The Possibility of Glory of God

2. Our own possible sanctification
Isaiah 43: 7 & 21 ““And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him & This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise”

Suffering too fits within these perimeters. Since mans “Fallen condition” humanity has had to suffer in various ways and to differing degrees. No one is exempted.

Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”

1Pet.4: 13 ” But rejoice in so far as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

Phil.1: 29 “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, “

So suffering is going to happen. What to do with “it” then becomes the right consideration.

IF we moan and complain; not only is there no benefit; but the condition itself often worsens. or at least seems too. If, on the other hand we accept it as an opportunity given to us from God for His Glory [God is always Glorified when we accept and do His Divine Will], then we also aid our own sanctification; merit Grace and earn assistance for ourselves or others, for whom we can choose to offer up our suffering.

So from life’s minor irritations to life-endangering illness; everything can be put to a meaningful use. It’s our choice and God’s perfect Will. An opportunity for grace or an opportunity to just complain about it.

If one “discovers” that pain “does not help” it is because one does NOT fully understand prayer.

ALL prayers are ALWAYS”S answered; but God can day ‘NO!” as well as “yes” and also “”not now.” We cannot put God on our timetable; nor can we command God: God Commands us.

God Bless you,
Pat

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the Three Crosses by Pat Miron

The THREE Crosses
by Patrick Miron

There were historically THREE crosses.

One for the Perfect Christ
One for the repentant sinner who is Promised Salvation
One for the unrepentant sinner who chooses for himself; eternal hell.

What are the possible lessons for us here?

We Catholics have a beautiful and meaningful Traditional Prayer that the Bishop; Priest or Deacon say’s before Proclaiming the Gospel Message [THE GOOD NEWS] at every Mass. While making three small signs of the Cross on his forehead, lips and heart and silently proclaiming with each action: Lord please BLESS [which means to: Sanctify, Purify and Guide my] Mind, my Lips, and my Heart. [As I share your Sacred WORD.]

This practice has been picked up over the years by much of the laity; some of whom may not know exactly why or what the about to be, Proclaimed Gospel [THE GOOD NEWS] signs represent. But we too, prudently seek God’s direct intervention by asking Him to Open our minds, our lips and hearts; so that we are enabled to fully understand; then share and be truly- grateful for what we are BLESSED to hear, and have explained to us. The effect of thus hearing Gods WORDS depends on our response to God‘s Grace and His granting one the ability too UNDERSTAND.

Matthew 4:4 “Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.” … Rom.10: 17 “ So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ.” …2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

Gospel, John 12:44-50 “Jesus declared publicly: Whoever believes in me believes not in me but in the one who sent me, and whoever sees me, sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as light, to prevent anyone who believes in me from staying in the dark any more. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall judge such a person, since I have come not to judge the world, but to save the world: 48 anyone who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. For I have not spoken of my own accord; but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and what to speak, and I know that his commands mean eternal life. And therefore what the Father has told me is what I speak.“

One of the critical Lessons of the Crosses comes with the necessary understanding that it is always man’s; it is OUR individual response to God’s grace that is “AN OFFER” not a command, that will determine it’s effect upon our life’s.

God’s grace is both perfect and sufficient for our needs

We can freely choose to accept it; reject it, apply it fully and correctly; or partially and or incorrectly. It is MAN”S freewill choice.

We can also deny it, ignore it, or misunderstand it. Again; man’s freewill choice. Our pride; our ego’s can and DO block God’s grace.

God’s intent for:

Only One TRUE God

With Only One TRUE Faith

In His One TRUE [guided and protected] Church is clearly biblical and God s WORDS; and God’s Perfect Will.

Mark 16: 14-15 “At length he appeared to the eleven [Apostles] as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Matthew 28:16-20 “And the eleven disciples [Apostles] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

My dear friends in Christ; do not permit “false prophets and teachers” to lead you astray. The WORDS of Christ are Perfect, Precise and Clear: ONLY today’s Catholic Church can [and does actually have the Mandate from Christ as well as His PERSONAL Protection …] John 17:16-20 “They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me” … AMEN!

How to read the Bible {and actually get what it teaches] by Pat Miron and Friends

Another I AM a Catholic Lesson, by Patrick Miron

Are you aware friend of the “One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible” Allow me to share it with you. [caps are used for emphasis, NOT shouting here]

Never-Ever
Can, May or DOES
One
Verse, passage or teaching
Have the Power or Authority
To
Make Void; invalidate or override
Another
Verse, passage or teaching

Were this even the slightest possibility [ITS NOT], it would render the bible as worthless to teach or learn ones faith.

How to Read the Bible [and get what it says’]

I learned something today listening to Father Mitch Pacqa [EWTN] during this mornings Mass Homily. Actually, if one were to think about it in these terms, one could easily grasp the reality and Wisdom behind the teaching.

There is a hierarchy of “Authority of Biblical Teaching” that I never gave thought too. [Shame on me]. The Four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are what everything else in the Bible must affirm and conform too. WHY? Because they ARE the New Covenant Teachings of Jesus Christ who is either quoted directly or who PROMISES [God can’t break His promise] to guide, protect and personally warrant these teachings.

John.14: 26 “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.” John 20:21-22 “ Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. .. John 17:15-19 “I [Jesus] do not pray that thou should take them out of the world, but that thou should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth. As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth”

The Gospels are followed in authority by the balance of the New Testament because it testifies to the New. Current and Eternal Covenant. Then the Old Testament which points to the New Testament.

John 14: 6 “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. Every New Testament, especially the four Gospels, teaching that quotes Christ Himself is to be taken literally! One makes a GRAVE ERROR in not doing so; in trying to circumvent and apply mere human understanding to Devine Pronouncements, one puts their own salvation at Grave Risk. … John 1: 1 -2, 9-10 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not.” .. FRIEND YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THIS GROUP OF UNBELIEVERS!

“Judge NOT the Word of God by how it meets my own understanding; NO! Judge human thought, mere human understanding BY God’s ACTUAL WORDS!”

Isaiah 55:3, 6-11
“Incline your ear, and come to me; hear, that your soul may live; … “Seek the LORD while [AND WHERE] he may be found, call upon him while he is near; [In the manner Ordained by God Himself] … let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. [Thus I have provided for you certain MEN Guided and Protected by Me to Translate My Words] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. [Which Means NOT just anyone can understand what the Bible actually teachres] “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return not thither but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed [Knowledge /and Understanding] to the sower [TEACHER] and bread to the eater, [RIGHT Knowledge and Understanding to those who HEAR the Word of God] so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not [Meaning it BETTER NOT] return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, [IF IT IS ACCPTED, Understood and APPLIED] and prosper in the thing for which I sent it.”

Understanding The Bible: A Catholic Guide To The
Word of God from WWW. Beginning Catholic.com/understanding

Too many Catholics aren’t comfortable reading and understanding the Bible.
Let’s look at the most essential principles taught by the Catholic Church for reading and interpreting Scripture.

For a strong faith, it’s important to know this!

The Bible is uniquely important

The Holy Bible is unmatched in importance for learning about God, his plans for us, and how he has worked through human history for our salvation.
Pope John Paul II wrote:

[Sacred Scripture] is truly divine, because it belongs to God truly and genuinely: God himself inspired it, God confirmed it, God spoke it through the sacred writers—Moses, the Prophets, the Evangelists, the Apostles—and, above all, through his Son, our only Lord, in both the Old and the New Testament.

It is true that the intensity and depth of the revelation varies [within the Bible], but there is not the least shadow of contradiction [between different parts of Scripture].
(Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Letter Patres Ecclesiae,
January 2, 1980)

Since God inspired & confirmed the Bible, we had better know how to read it correctly!

Key principles for reading Scripture

These three points are essential to a basic understanding of the bible:
God is indeed the principal author of Sacred Scripture.

God made use of specific people that wrote in a human language, and did so at a particular time and place in history.

At times we have to work carefully to determine exactly what a sacred author is asserting to be true, distinguishing that from something he’s using as an image to help us understand the truth more clearly.
We need to look at each of these points in detail…

God is the principal author of Scripture

If there is only one thing you remember about understanding the Bible, let it be this point!

To get it just right, I’ll quote from the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

God himself is the author of Sacred Scripture.
(Compendium of the Catechism, #18)

(The Compendium of the Catechism has a wonderful section on understanding the Bible within the part about Divine Revelation. You should read all of #6-24 to get a full understanding, but #18-24 are specifically about Scripture.)

God chose to reveal to us certain truths for the sake of our salvation. This message of salvation is the set of revealed truths which we call the “deposit of faith,” or Divine Revelation. The Bible is primarily concerned with telling us these truths, which are without error. God himself made sure of that.

The Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) said it well: “everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit” (Dei Verbum, #11).
Got it?
Good. That’s the most essential point for reading & understanding the Bible. Now, remember that point as we look at some other details…

God made use of people to write the Bible

This is important: God did not “dictate” the Bible, word for word, to people who just wrote down his words. Instead, he did something…

…more amazing!

He made use of specific people to write the various sacred books of the Bible. And although God gave each author special grace to aid him in this work, each author wrote in a way that was natural to him.

This is also really important for a true Catholic understanding of the Bible. We have to understand this point completely, or we risk a serious misunderstanding!
The Second Vatican Council put it this way:

In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted.

(Vatican II, Dei Verbum (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation), 11)
These writers used the language of their time, and they used words and wrote in a style that reflected their own personalities and educations.

Some people get nervous when they start reading about this point—don’t be! This is important for a solid understanding of the Bible.
Let’s summarize it this way:

These men had to work with the imperfections of human language and understanding.

Despite this limitation, the Holy Spirit still used them to write the message of salvation in a way that was completely accurate.

John Paul II made this point when he addressed the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1979:

The language of the Bible is to some degree linked to language which changed over the course of time…. But this only reaffirms the paradox of the [Christian] proclamation of revelation: …people and events at particular points in history become the bearers of an absolute and transcendent message.
(Pope John Paul II, Address, April 26, 1979)

This is really quite astonishing—God was willing to work through people to tell us his saving truth. He revealed his divine truths via historical acts, using events and people of his choosing.

And he did so using…

Human language and knowledge

God also used human language and knowledge—with all of its limitations—to tell us his eternal truths.

He conveyed things to people through words and actions that made use of the ways of speaking and thinking that were common at the time. God worked this way so it would be possible for humans to write down or pass on these eternal truths.

The people who experienced these events and received God’s divine messages either wrote them down later, or would pass them on in a reliable oral tradition that was later written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Of course, sometimes we have to work carefully to get past the imperfections of human language and knowledge in order to see what God wanted to tell us. This is an important step for understanding the Bible!

Unlocking the original meaning
We can easily put these principles to practical use when reading Scripture.
First, learn to understand exactly what the inspired authors meant when they wrote their words. A good Catholic commentary will help explain any relevant language, concepts and cultural references. (I recommend the Navarre Bible commentary , which is outstanding in its explanations and its desire to help you see how the Church understands even the smallest details of the Bible.)

That’s an essential first step—if you don’t understand what the sacred author was saying to people in his own cultural context, in terms as they were used at the time, you won’t be able to clearly see what God is saying through him.

But don’t worry! It’s really not hard to get this right for many passages. And once again, a good commentary will do the heavy lifting for you.
And once you understand the sacred author’s actual message…

Embrace the Word of God

The whole point of reading and understanding the Bible is to encounter God, understand the revelation he has given us, and grow in faith.
So now that you’ve read a passage of Scripture and understand what the author is saying…

…take that next step—listen to God!

Scripture is a living thing, meant for people in all times & places. God speaks through it now just as much as he did when it was written.

To help our faith grow as we read Scripture, the Church gives us three important points for interpreting and understanding the Bible:

“Be especially attentive ‘to the content and unity of the whole Scripture'” (Catechism, 112). It all fits together, so don’t just look at parts in isolation.

Read the Bible within “the living Tradition of the whole Church” (Catechism, 113), since the Holy Spirit guides the Church in interpreting Scripture. Especially helpful is seeing how the Saints, Popes, and Church councils have commented on Scripture.

Pay attention to “the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation” (Catechism, 114). Like point #1, above, the entire deposit of faith forms a wonderful unity—doctrine sheds light on Scripture, and Scripture on doctrine.

Let the Bible enkindle your faith

Some people feel intimidated when they start to read Scripture.
But not you!

Now you have a solid foundation for understanding the Bible. The basic principles contained in this article will help you overcome many uncertainties people have with Scripture.

So start reading!
Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.
(St Jerome)

Originally Posted by TroutDude
So, some ancient anonymous writers, all claiming to be channeling god, wrote a bunch of stories they borrowed from other cultures. Over the course of a few hundred years, some other men decided which of those stories really, really, fer-sure came from god-channeling.

And because you believe those old, dead men, it constitutes “proof” of the legitimacy of the bible.

Yeah. Right.

REPLY by CR CARSON
You have possibly skipped or minimized some important steps (which I will highlight for emphasis). Here’s the full outline of the process:

1. We begin by treating the Bible not as an inspired text but simply as any other historical text such as the works of Homer or the accounts of war by Julius Caesar.

2. Using textual criticism, we are able to conclude that today, we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work.

3. Next we take a look at what the Bible, still considered merely as a historical text, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels. We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

4. Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries, together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that Jesus was either:

a. a liar,
b. a lunatic,
c. or Lord (that is, just what he claimed to be—God).

The one thing we know he could not have been was merely a good man who was not God, since no merely good man would make the claims he made.

We are able to eliminate the possibility of his being a madman not just from what he said but from what his followers did after his death. Many critics of the Gospel accounts of the resurrection claim that Christ did not truly rise, that his followers took his body from the tomb and then proclaimed him risen from the dead. According to these critics, the resurrection was nothing more than a hoax. Devising a hoax to glorify a friend and mentor is one thing, but you do not find people dying for a hoax, at least not one from which they derive no benefit. Certainly if Christ had not risen, his disciples would not have died horrible deaths affirming the reality and truth of the resurrection. The result of this line of reasoning is that we must conclude that Jesus indeed rose from the dead. Consequently, his claims concerning himself—including his claim to be God—have credibility. He meant what he said and did what he said he would do.

5. The Bible, still only considered to be historically accurate book, records that Jesus, who is God, said he would found a Church. Both the Bible and other ancient works attest to the fact that Jesus established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, and teaching authority.

6. Thus, beginning with the historical data alone, we conclude that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Because of his Resurrection we have reason to take seriously his claims concerning the Church, including its authority to teach in his name. Teaching in His name and with His authority requires infallibility, and that, too, is evident from the recorded teachings of Jesus.

7. The infallible Catholic Church tells us the Bible is inspired.

Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book.

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Skimmer’s version:

The Bible, which is historically accurate, tells us that Jesus is God and that he founded a Church authorized to teach in His name. Since logic dictates that such a Church cannot teach error while doing so, we accept the Church’s infallible judgment that the Bible is not only historically reliable but also inspired.

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Universal Salvation & the Role of the Catholic Church

A Brief dialog on Salvation, the RCC, then and Now

[QUOTE] I appreciate all that you wrote; but most of my questions remain unanswered:

Question #1: Is Unam Sanctam, which declares, proclaims, and defines that “it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff,” an infallible teaching?[/QUOTE]

The answer to the last part is YES but only because it states what the Church has taught nearly forever; It is a Defined Dogma of the RCC and it is this that make it infallible.
BUT it is the Church, NOT the Pontiff [Infallibility MUST be specifically declared] that makes this teaching binding on everyone.

[QUOTE]Question #2: If Unam Sanctam is infallible, did Pope Boniface VIII infallibly define any of the exceptions that are taught today in the CC? [/QUOTE]

Good Question: But not really relevant. While ALL Defined Dogma are unchangeable this means that the BASIC Truth can never change. It DOES NOT mean that the understanding cannot get better and aligned with current needs. Today’s Teaching HOLDS to the Basis Truth while ADDING the POSSIBILITY of other Christians who too have the sacrament of Baptism AND Belief in the Blessed Trinity; and WHO HAVE NEVER been exposed to the truths of the CC; MIGHT, through this sacramental unity and common belief under Precise conditions, also be included THROUGH the CC, in the POSSIBILITY of Salvation.

[QUOTE]Question #3: If Pope Boniface VIII did not define exceptions; at what point in history were “exceptions” infallibly defined? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Partial reply:
Since, Pope Eugene IV seems to be saying the same thing, only more sternly; I think it is fair to ask the same questions about the Bull Cantate Domino of 1441.

Pope Eugene IV:
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; [/QUOTE]

Friend, I’m unsure you if you have a right understating of the POWER of the Church to NOT CHANGE; BUT EXPAND understanding as it becomes both Inspired by the HS and made necessary by a changing world? There was and IS NO NEED for “today’s exceptions” because they frankly were not a factor of possible consideration when either of these documents were propagated.

From the catechism of the RCC

780 “The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men”

846 “How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”

847 “This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation”.

1260 “Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery.” Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.”

Question #5: If it is infallible, did Pope Eugene IV infallibly define any of the exceptions that are taught today in the CC? I can’t imagine that he did. Who is left after “pagans, Jews, heretics, and schismatic” are professed to be headed into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with the CC.

[QUOTE]Question #6: If Pope Eugene IV did not define exceptions; at what point in history were “exceptions” infallibly defined?[/QUOTE]

SAME as Q #1

[QUOTE]Through these 6 questions, I’m basically asking the same thing Catholic forum members CHESTERTONRULES and ron77nyc asked–I quoted them in post #329.

How did the Catholic Church go from “No salvation outside the Catholic Church” to the exceptions given in the Catechism and other places? No one has answered this; and I’ve given up hope that anyone will.[/QUOTE]

These ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS! They are the result of Historical World-wide changes that NEEDED to be addressed. The Base Teaching of. the CC DID NOT AND CANNOT be changed. NOTICE PLEASE these two passages: Mt. 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, [DONE DEAL] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” These terms MEAN unlimited power of Governance by Gods chose Popes. And in Jn. 20: 21-22 which is the Institution of THEE CC “Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” This is an actual transfer of POWER From Christ to His Church: WITH THE SAME POWERS AND AUTHORITY THAT JESUS HAD ON EARTH.

John 17:17-20 “Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”

John 20:21-22 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost”

Anyone seeking more information on The KEYS to heaven, please PM me.

Patrick

“Feed MY Sheep:

“Feed MY Sheep”
Another I AM Catholic Lesson by Pat Miron

Why does the Pope have the right, indeed the mandate to speak to Gods children, on behalf of God Himself?

Matt. 16:13-19

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I (singular) tell you, (singular) you are Peter, and on this (singular) rock I (singular) will build my (singular) church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. (singular) 19 I (singular) will give you (singular) the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you (singular) bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you (singular) loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

First: we accept the fact that words have specific, “common” meeting to those giving utterance and to those being spoken to.

Second: We acknowledge that both those giving utterance, and those who have done the transcribing, are inspired by The Holy Spirit, (Jesus exempted because He too is God), to use specific words, phrases and locations. In other words, mere coincidence has no place in our discussion. We accept the facts that Jesus knew what He was doing, and that as God, He was incapable of lying.

Point One: Why did Jesus select the area of Caesarea Philippi, to make this enormously important appointment?

Reply: Caesarea Philippi is located in the northern part of Judea. The above quoted passage took place on a large hill, and was the location of a very large, and locally famous, Pagan Temple. As a “safeguard” the temple was build behind a huge protective ROCK.

Point Two: In O.T. biblical days it was common for cities to be walled and fortified. Further, they really did have a main gate, and there was a Key to the City, that really locked and unlocked the main gate.

Point Three: In the quoted bible passage: “I,” “you,” “my,” and “church” are all singular for very specific reasons. “Church” for example clearly, indisputably, shows God’s intent to start and Shepherd only “one church.”

Point Four: In every walled city there was a “King” which is the role Jesus assumes in this story. “Hail King of the Jews!” Mark 15:18

Point Five: As one might expect, actually running the city was a whole lot like real work, so it was delegated to another, usually called the “Prime Minister.” So we will use that term for the one who actually ran the city, day in, and day out. The P.M. answered ONLY to “the King.” What the PM ordered done, was done, and what the PM forbid, was legally forbidden, and violators were punished by the PM.

Point Six: The terms, “To Bind and or To Loose” were legal and binding at law, Rabbinical Terms, known and accepted by all those Jesus was speaking too as authority to Govern.

Point Seven: Just as Jesus is the King in this story, Simon, Now “Peter” (Greek for “rock,”) is the new Prime Minister! As such he in given total and complete autonomous rule and daily governance of the New Church that Jesus has just created. “On this “rock” meaning the very person of Peter himself, “I” will build “my” church. Again Words Mean Something!

Point Eight: “I will give you” Peter the Key’s to the Kingdom of Heaven. PERIOD! This is God telling us this fact.

Point Nine: The power to govern is immediate, total, complete, unlimited and binding on all. Amen!

Point Ten: God knew what He was doing, Jesus knew what He was setting up, Peter and the Apostles understood exactly what was meant and accepted and lived in obedience, what God had ordained. We, my friend are to do no less. “The gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her,” does not mean that sin cannot or for that matter, does not exist within Her. No, what is promised by God is two-fold. First, sin will not prevail! Second, God promised to send the Holy Spirit, as the guarantor of TRUTH, that any official pronouncement from “the chair of Peter,” on matters of Faith and or Morals, cannot, I repeat, cannot be in error, because God Himself say’s so.

First we note in verse 14, that Jesus asked the question: ”who do people say that I am?” In verse 15 He asked His twelve deciples, “but who do YOU say that I am?” And we find that they are speechless. Then Simon Peter replies: “You are the Christ.” Jesus replies in verse 17: “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Notice the name change: In the bible, whenever God changes a name, that person is called to a particular and prominent role. For example: Abram to Abraham, or John the Baptist being named John, not Zachary after his father, upon the Angel’s direction from God.

In verse 18, Jesus specifies that I (singular) Jesus will build My (singular) Church (singular) upon this rock (singular). And warrants with His own merits (too soon come in His Crucifixion) that it is and will be THE TRUTH, and that Satan shall never prevail against Her.

Next in verse 19 Jesus says: I (singular) will give to you Simon Bar-Jona (also singular), the key’s to the gate of Heaven (singular).

Now to be sure that we understand the significance of these words we share the following.

In the Old Testament times it was common practice for the major cities to be “walled in.” They actually were surrounded by wall that had GATES, and the gates, especially the “Main gate” actually had a KEY.

Also it was common to have a KING of the City (Jesus is in this role.) And a Prime Minister who actually had COMPLETE Power and Authority to rule and administer the city. The key carrier, actually had sole possession of the “key to the city (the city is a symbol of the Kingdom of God) and ran independently the city, day-in and day-out. The carrier of “the Key,” answered to NOONE except the KING. Simon Peter was given the “Key to the KINGDOM of Heaven,” With complete and total authority to Rule and Administer “the Kingdom.”

To be sure that everyone CLEARLY understood His message, Jesus in verse 19 goes on to say as further proof of His Singular intent: “, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Why did Jesus, who is God use these very words? Because the words “to bind,” and “to Loose,” were Rabbinical Terms, Binding in Jewish Law. At the time of their pronouncement they were spoken by a Jew, to Jews who would clearly have understood the significance of the words, and their Binding authority. That is why we never read about any attempts to usurp the Power of Simon Peter by any other Apostle! They understood exactly what Jesus said, what Jesus had done, and what Jesus meant.

” 17: “And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. This verse gives assent by God the Father to the decision Jesus Proclaimed, and also of the Presence and assent of the Holy Spirit who make know “the Will of The Father.”

Old testament Typology: Is. 22: 19-22
19 I (Reference to a dishonest Prime Minister) will thrust you from your office, and you will be cast down from your station. 20 In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, 21 and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22* And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father’s house.

Additional biblical support for “One Church” and Primacy of Peter

Matthew 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . .”
The “power of the keys” has to do with ecclesiastical discipline and administrative authority with regard to the requirements of the faith, as in Isaiah 22:22 (cf. Is 9:6; Job 12:14; Rev 3:7). From this power flows the use of censures, excommunication, absolution, baptismal discipline, the imposition of penances, and legislative powers. In the Old Testament a steward, or prime minister is a man who is “over a house” (Gen 41:40; 43:19; 44:4; 1 Ki 4:6; 16:9; 18:3; 2 Ki 10:5; 15:5; 18:18; Is 22:15,20-21).

3. Mt: 16:19 ” whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

“Binding” and “loosing” were technical rabbinical terms, which meant to “forbid” and “permit” with reference to the interpretation of the law, and secondarily to “condemn” or “place under the ban” or “acquit.” Thus, St. Peter and the popes are given the authority to determine the rules for doctrine and life, by virtue of revelation and the Spirit’s leading (Jn 16:13), and to demand obedience from the Church. “Binding and loosing” represent the legislative and judicial powers of the papacy and the bishops (Mt 18:17-18; Jn 20:23). St. Peter, however, is the only apostle who receives these powers by name and in the singular, making him preeminent.

4. Peter’s name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Mt 10:2; Mk 3:16; Lk 6:14; Acts 1:13). Matthew even calls him the “first” (10:2). Judas Iscariot is invariably mentioned last.

5. Peter alone among the apostles receives a new name, “Rock,” solemnly conferred (Jn 1:42: Mt 16:18).

6. Peter is regarded by Jesus as the Chief Shepherd after Himself (Jn 21:15-17), singularly by name, and over the universal Church, even though others have a similar but subordinate role (Acts 20:28; 1 Pet 5:2).
7. Peter alone among the apostles is mentioned by name as having been prayed for by Jesus Christ in order that his “faith may not fail” (Lk 22:32).

8. Peter alone among the apostles is exhorted by Jesus to “strengthen your brethren” (Lk 22:32)
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9. Peter first confesses Christ’s divinity (Mt 16:16).

10. Peter is regarded by the Jews (Acts 4:1-13) as the leader and spokesman of Christianity.

11. Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mk 16:7).

12. Peter leads the apostles in fishing (Jn 21:2-3,11). The “bark” (boat) of Peter has been regarded by Catholics as a figure of the Church, with Peter at the helm.

13. Peter’s words are the first recorded and most important in the upper room before Pentecost (Acts 1:15-22).

14. Peter takes the lead in calling for a replacement for Judas (Acts 1:22).

15. Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, so he was the first Christian to “preach the gospel” in the Church era (Acts 2:14-36).

16. Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12).

17. Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) emphatically affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11)!

18. Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40).

19. Cornelius is told by an angel to seek Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6).

20. Peter is the first to receive the Gentiles, after a revelation from God (Acts 10:9-48).

21. Peter instructs the other apostles on the catholicity (universality) of the Church (Acts 11:5-17).

22. Peter is the object of the first divine interposition on behalf of an individual in the Church Age (an angel delivers him from prison – Acts 12:1-17).

23. Peter presides over and opens the first Council of Christianity, and lays down principles afterwards accepted by it (Acts 15:7-11).

24. Peter is the first to recognize and refute heresy, in Simon Magus (Acts 8:14-24).

25. Peter’s name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together: 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon, and 6 as Cephas). John is next in frequency with only 48 appearances, and Peter is present 50% of the time we find John in the Bible! Archbishop Fulton Sheen reckoned that all the other disciples combined were mentioned 130 times. If this is correct, Peter is named a remarkable 60% of the time any disciple is referred to!

26. Peter’s proclamation at Pentecost (Acts 2:14-41) contains a fully authoritative interpretation of Scripture, a doctrinal decision and a disciplinary decree concerning members of the “House of Israel” (2:36) – an example of “binding and loosing.”

27. Peter commanded the first Gentile Christians to be baptized (Acts 10:44-48).

28. Paul went to Jerusalem specifically to see Peter for fifteen days in the beginning of his ministry (Gal 1:18), and was commissioned by Peter, James and John (Gal 2:9) to preach to the Gentiles.

29: 1 Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. (Mt. Chapter 23)

Note: While the bible does not speak specifically of the “ Chair of Peter,” this term gets it’s origin from “the Chair of Moses,” which EVERYONE KNEW WAS THE “SEAT OF RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY.”

29. Peter corrects those who misuse Paul’s writings (2 Pet 3:15-16). ‘In conclusion, it strains credulity to think that God would present St. Peter with such prominence in the Bible, without some meaning and import for later Christian history; in particular, Church government.

The papacy is the most plausible (we believe actual) fulfillment of this directive to “Feed my sheep.‘ ”

From Journey with God Blog; What God should mean to EACH of us

By “JOURNEY WITH GOD”
IN THIS LIFE THERE ARE MANY TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS, AND HARDSHIPS. WITHOUT GOD AT THE HELM, WE FIND OURSELVES AT A LOSS FOR HOPE AND PEACE THAT FILLS US AND GIVES US SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR. THIS BLOG IS A PLACE FOR ME TO SHARE THE HOPE GOD GIVES ME DESPITE THE CIRCUMSTANCES I FACE AND TO EXTEND THAT HOPE AND LOVE TO OTHERS. MAY IT BE AN INSPIRATION AND BLESSING TO YOUR HEART!

Lord You Are
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I will sing to the LORD as long as I live;
I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
May my meditation be sweet to Him;
I will be glad in the LORD.
May sinners be consumed from the earth, and the wicked no more.
Bless the LORD, O my soul!
Praise the LORD!
Psalm 104:33-35

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Lord You Are

You are The Almighty God
Thinking of You takes my breath away

You are my Morning Star
Greeting me each day

You are my Bridegroom
The steady man in my life

You are my Creator
Breathing life into my very being

You are my Deliverer
The One who frees me from my sin

You are my Refuge
The One I run to when I need help

You are my Counselor
Giving advice to steer my path

You are my Shelter
My safety from the raging, chaotic world

You are my Door
Giving me a way to escape temptation

You are my Light
Shining so I won’t lose my way

You are my King
Ruler of my heart and soul

You are my Shield
Protecting me from life’s arrows

You are my Prince of Peace
Contentment for my heart, mind, and soul

You are my Hiding Place
Where I go to rest from the pain

You are my Friend
Always listening when I need to talk

You are my Father
Disciplining and directing me

You are my Love
To whom I give all of my heart

You are my Comfort
The warm place to lay my worries down

You are my Shepherd
Gently holding me in Your hands

You are my Lion
Fiercely protecting me from Satan’s snares

You are my Caddy
Carrying my burdens of shame and doubt

You are my Contractor
Building a home for me in the heavenly places

You are my Hope
Encouraging me when I stumble and fear

You are my Vine
Helping me reach out to others

You are my Beginning
Forming me in my mother’s womb

You are my End
Holding every day of my life in Your hands

You are my Fire
Igniting passion in my heart for more of You

You are my Savior
Giving the gift of eternal life

You are my Inspiration
Indeed You are my All in All

A Cross or a Crucifix and why it matters by Patrick Miron

I Am a Catholic
Something to think about: “A Cross or a Crucifix”
by Patrick Miron

A Question

Catholics and a few Protestant Churches choose to use a “Crucifix” {the Cross with the corpus of Christ attached}; while most Protestant churches choose to use only {and sparingly at that}, the Cross without the Divine Presence attached.

Does or can this effect the practice of one’s Faith in a profound and significant manner?
THIS WILL BE THE TOPIC OF THIS LESSON. But first a bit of background.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04529a.htm

Growth of the Christian cult

The Cross to which Christ had been nailed, and on which He had died, became for Christians, quite naturally and logically, the object of a special respect and worship. St. Paul says, in 1 Corinthians 1:17: “For Christ sent me not to baptize; but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void”; in Galatians 2:19: “With Christ I am nailed to the cross”; in Ephesians 2:16: Christ . . . . “might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross”; in Philippians 3:18: “For many walk . . . enemies of the cross of Christ”; in Colossians 2:14: “Blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross”; and in Galatians 6:14: “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ; by whom the world is crucified to me, and I to the world”.

It seems clear, therefore, that for St. Paul the Cross of Christ was not only a precious remembrance of Christ’s sufferings and death, but also a symbol closely associated with His sacrifice and the mystery of the Passion. It was, moreover, natural that it should be venerated and become an object of a cult with the Christians who had been saved by it.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/holy-week/good-friday/the-veneration-of-the-cross/

The Veneration of the Cross: In the seventh century, the Church in Rome adopted the practice of Adoration of the Cross from the Church in Jerusalem, where a fragment of wood believed to be the Lord’s cross had been venerated every year on Good Friday since the fourth century. According to tradition, a part of the Holy Cross was discovered by the mother of the emperor Constantine, St. Helen, on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem in 326. A fifth century account describes this service in Jerusalem. A coffer of gold-plated silver containing the wood of the cross was brought forward. The bishop placed the relic on the table in the chapel of the Crucifixion and the faithful approached it, touching brow and eyes and lips to the wood as the priest said (as every priest has done ever since): ‘Behold, the Wood of the Cross.’

Adoration or veneration of an image or representation of Christ’s cross does not mean that we actually adore the material image, of course, but rather what it represents. In kneeling before the crucifix and kissing it we are paying the highest honor to our Lord’s cross as the instrument of our salvation. Because the Cross is inseparable from His sacrifice, in reverencing His Cross we, in effect, adore Christ. Thus we affirm: ‘We adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee because by Thy Holy Cross Thou has Redeemed the World.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifix

A crucifix (from Latin cruci fixus meaning “(one) fixed to a cross”) is an image of Jesus on the cross, as distinct from a bare cross. The representation of Jesus himself attached to the cross is referred to in English as the corpus (Latin for “body”).[1][2]

The crucifix is a principal symbol for many groups of Christians, and one of the most common forms of the Crucifixion in the arts. It is especially important in the Latin Church of the Catholic Church, but is also used in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches, in Coptic, Armenian and other Oriental Orthodox churches, as well as in. Methodist, Lutheran and Anglican churches, but less often in churches of other Protestant denominations, which prefer to use a cross without the figure of Jesus (the corpus). The crucifix emphasizes Jesus’ sacrifice — his death by crucifixion, which Christians believe brought about the redemption of mankind. Most crucifixes portray Jesus on a Latin cross, rather than any other shape, such as a Tau cross or a Coptic cross.” END Quotes from this source.

http://www.holytrinityparish.net/Links/Why%20the%20Crucifix.pdf
Why the Crucifix? By Greg Witherow

“Sometimes Catholics are asked, “Why do you use a cross with Christ nailed to it?
If the questioner is a Protestant (typically an evangelical), there are usually a couple of reasons for the question. One is a belief that the crucifix represents a skewed theology. A second reason is the belief (by some) that a crucifix is idolatrous. It should be pointed out Catholics are not opposed to using a cross. It is a matter of record many Catholic churches have a cross on their steeples. In this essay we will examine why Protestants object to a crucifix and why Catholics use them.

Understanding Our Separated Brethren

Protestants see their empty cross as a witness to the Resurrection. They might tell you, “I serve a risen Savior, therefore my cross is empty”. The implication is an empty cross exclusively
witnesses to the gospel, as it speaks to the finished work of Christ while a crucifix does not. To
some, a crucifix is offensive as it is perceived to elevate Good Friday over the Resurrection.
And it reinforces Protestant suspicion that Catholics hold to a distorted, morbid and truncated
gospel. The following passage, which speaks of our justification (salvation), might be used.
“[he] was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.”

A second group of Protestants view the crucifix as idolatry. Why? It is an image of Christ that
is revered by Catholics. It is therefore claimed to be an idol. Somewhat related is that the
crucifix is a reminder of the Sacrifice of the Mass. Many Protestants falsely believe Catholic
priests intend to re-kill Christ as a sacrifice during Mass. No wonder they take offense! With
such an understanding it would be incredulous if they did not. Let me further illustrate.
As some readers know, the author of this paper is a former evangelical (Calvinist). My wife and
I have homeschooled our kids for years. In doing so we used a popular curriculum produced by
an evangelical publisher and used by thousands of Christian schools and homeschoolers. After
our conversion we continued to use the materials with the provision that we would pre-check the
class assignments knowing the publishers were anti-Catholic. I’m glad we did.

We soon came across a children’s story about a little boy who had a Catholic friend. In the story
the evangelical boy somehow came in possession of a crucifix. Holding it in his hand he cried
out that it was an idol and threw it against the wall, breaking it into pieces. Illustrations depicted
the scene. His mother, while admonishing him as overreacting saw his intentions as virtuous and
his conclusion as sound. Such anti-Catholic curriculum is not rare in Christian schools.
We Preach Christ Crucified”

The Catholic response is as follows. When the apostle Paul tried to articulate the gospel message into its most simple, core meaning he stated, “For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. AND ” “but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. ” In the spirit of Paul’s admonition, the Catholic Church sees the crucifix as a visible image of the gospel. With Paul the Church proclaims, “we preach Christ crucified”. Perhaps not just Jews and Gentiles take offense to this? True, the crucifix is not the only way to “image” the gospel, but it is certainly a Biblical one. Such a response may give our first inquirer reason to pause. Our second inquirer is usually more contentious and difficult to convince. Suffice it to say Catholics do not worship idols (or saints) and we don’t pretend to re-sacrifice Christ in the Mass.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph 2114:” Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who “transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God”. (Catholics worship) God alone. Any Catholic will tell you a crucifix is not God. No sane Catholic worships it).
Paragraph 1366: The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the
sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit… (Catholic priests do not pretend to re-kill, re-crucify or re-sacrifice Christ in the Mass).

General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM)
Paragraph 308: “There is also to be a cross with the figure of Christ crucified on it, either on the
altar or near it, where it is clearly visible to the assembled congregation”… (This requirement is
for the Latin Rite Mass).

Holy Scripture:

1 Corinthians 2:2 “For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.”
1 Corinthians 1:23-25 “ But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews {And in current times, also the Protestants and all unbelievers} indeed a stumbling block, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”

FROM Dewy bible explanations: [25] The foolishness: That is to say, what appears foolish to the world in the ways of God, is indeed most wise; and what appears weak is indeed above all the strength and comprehension of man.”

1. Revelation 5:6-10 “And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints: And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation. And hast made us to our God a kingdom and priests, and we shall reign on the earth” END OF QUOTED ARTICLE

To the best of my personal knowledge the entire Protestant community uses their own version of the Ten Commandments wherein the issue of IDOLATRY is made with great emphasis, the second Commandment.
The Catholic version is: [Which historically existed about 1,500 YEARS before Luther & the KJ bible]

1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods

In the Protestant Churches, they are as follows, with the differences highlighted:

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
2. You shall not make unto you any graven images
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

While both versions essentially say and teach the same thing in their entirety, the difference of understanding and priority are profound. WHY? Because they seem to establish a biblical bases for their separation [SCHISM]. They seem to have “hard evidence: of Catholicism falling away from Christ truth.
A few months ago I was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan visiting my mom in an Elder Care facility, and also visiting my sister, who has left the Catholic Church, and is a proud and active “Christian” [a former Baptist] even though she no longer goes to any church regularly. She reads the bible daily, has an active prayer life and is close-minded about everything Catholic. On my previous visit I had the opportunity to read her from HER own bible; John 20:19-23 “

King James Version (KJV) John 20:19-23

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, then the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20 And when he had so said , he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad , when they saw the Lord 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit , they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain , they are retained “ King James online version QUOTE

When I read this to her; she replied: “well that may be what it say’s BUT that is not what it means.” I then asked “well then what DOES IT MEAN?” To which she replied: “I don’t want to talk about this anymore.” Now back to the more recent trip. As Divine Providence would have it, our Aunt who lived in Wisconsin died and we went to the funeral. It was held in a Catholic Church as our family is mostly Catholics. On the way back to her place she asked me: “WHY do Catholics leave Christ on the Cross, don’t we understand and believe in the Resurrection?”

I explained [or tried too], that in the RCC Easter is the highest and most significant annual Feast Day celebrated by the Church. That our Hope and Expectation for Eternal Life with Christ hinges of the fact that Christ DID rise on the third day, and did ascend back into heaven; so we too MIGHT conditionally have the possibility of eternal Life. [She holds to a OSAS philosophy]

This is in MY PERSONAL OPINION, highly significant as it relates to the practice of our faith and many of our significant differences with our non-Catholic brethren. WHY? What I shared about my sister is a quite common non-Catholic view of what Christ has promised. Once Saved, Always Saved [salvation CAN’T be lost for ANY reason rest on the premise that anyone CAN read and self-interpret the bible. Because Christ has Died AND Rose from the dead [PAST TENSE] there is no need to ponder or focus on sacrifice; Christ, or our own. And all of this goes back to their understanding that the Catholic Church HAS lost God’s protection, which chooses to ignore Mt 16:18-19 & 28:16-20; especially verse 20 where Christ commits to being with His Church [specifically, & exclusively until “the end of time, ”so they are {seemingly}“Justified” in what they do, teach and preach

So let’s look at a few passages from the bible avail to them, but ignored or misunderstood, wrongly translated, because they neither teach nor understand the One Infallible Rule for RIGHT understanding of the bible {which BTW is a Catholic birthed book.}

Never EVER
Can, may or DOES
One Passage, Verse, or Teaching
Have the Power or authority
To make Void, Invalidate or Override
Another
Passage, Verse or Teaching

Such even as the slightest possibility would render the entire bible as worthless to teach or learn ones faith.

First the issue of Idolatry: FROM THE BIBLICAL COMMANDS OF YAHWEH-God on how to build the Ark of the Covenant; Exodus 25:18-20 “Thou shalt make also two cherubim’s {A class of angels} of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle. [19] Let one cherub be on the one side, and the other on the other. [20] Let them cover both sides of the propitiatory, spreading their wings, and covering the oracle, and let them look one towards the other, their faces being turned towards the propitiatory wherewith the ark is to be covered.”
Clearly the Cherubim’s are “graven images” ordered by God Himself. The again in Numbers 21:6-9
6] “Wherefore the Lord sent among the people fiery serpents, which bit them and killed many of them. [7] Upon which they came to Moses, and said: We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and thee: pray that he may take away these serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. [8] And the Lord said to him: Make brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live. [9] Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.”

So then it would seem that it’s NOT “graven images” that are forbidden as GOD Himself commanded they be made. Rather it is the intended USE of the object that determines if it is forbidden or permitted. IF it points to God, IF it is an AID to one’s Faith and belief in God, then it’s permitted and a GOOD thing. On the other hand if it competes with God, and draws one away from the One True God, then and only then is it a forbidden image or practice. So one can easily disprove the Protestant claim of Catholics and Idolatry. This then also defeats their claim of a bible-foundation for a justification for their schism from the One True Faith taught and desired by Christ.

Matthew 16: 13-19 “And Jesus came into the quarters of Caesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? [14] But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. [15] Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? [16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19]And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, {TEACH IN MY NAME ON FAITH BELIEFS AND MORALS} it shall be bound [ACCEPTED AND BINDING} also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

Matthew 28:16-20 “[16] And the eleven disciples {Apostles} went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [18] And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded {TAUGHT} you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world”

The issue is Sacrifice {and perhaps an unknowing absolute need for it?}

“Take Up your Cross and Follow Me” Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” Matt.5: 19 “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

As to the issue of a truncated Faith
I hasten to point out the obvious:
There is But One True God

One God can have only One true set of Faith beliefs which is historically true as well as biblical truth. The keys were given only to the Catholic Church; along with the essential power to teach fully and correctly His One Faith. Then Christ, following His own example of only One Chosen People in the OT, founded ONLY One new and true Church, which existed exclusively as the “only Christian Church” in the entire world for about 1,000 years before the Great Eastern Schism.

Mt. 16:18 “ And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. Mt. 28:19-20 “ Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
So in order for this Protestant position to be possible; God has to be lair or the bible is in error!
It is profoundly amazing what the seemingly meaningless act of removing Christ from His Cross has permitted the non-Catholic community to conclude. And this evens unknowingly {as it COULD and ought to be recolonized as such}, is a Grievous Mortal sin of PRESUMPTION. The mystery of Divine Justice on man’s salvation looms large, because His Sacrifice is downplayed or ignored leading them to feel free to also ignore the self-sacrifice that Christ clearly commands and expects from each and all of us, including Sacramental-Confession as God’s “normal way for the forgiveness of all sins.” And they also miss out on God Himself in the Most Holy Eucharist, where Christ Sacrifice is made Present Truly, Really and Substantially, at every Catholic Mass. {1st Cor. 11: 21-29} Thus the issue of wither or NOT their sins are actually forgiven seems unanswered. Behind their personal-beliefs in “altar calls” and the Sinners Prayer” as effective means of sin-forgiveness lies the that sins must NOT be forgiven in a manner approved or commanded by God, settling rather for personal chosen belief in only mortal- MAN”S invented-criteria for “Being Saved,” while ignoring the Powers entrusted to THEE Church, as the exclusive Holder of ALL Keys to heaven {Mt. 16: 15-19} as the way God Commands wants, and accepts our sins to be forgiven. {John 20: 19-23}. This amounts to a denial of sin for those accepting the foolishness of “Once Saved Always Saved.” They error and put their Souls at risk choosing to mix “what God COULD do” verses what “God DID {biblically} choose to do.”

One can wonder who will be saved, and who will be rejected. ONLY GOD can make that call, so we ought not to prejudge them, but trust in God’s Mercy, to find a way to either convert them, or save them. And I have no doubt that WE are to be an active part; and to assume an active role is aiding God in this quest for souls.
We all should be exceedingly grateful for God’s grace and calling us HOME to His Catholic Church, with its Seven Sacraments, and grace limited ONLY by our right and frequent use of them, with its One True Faith, and knell before the Crucifix with grateful minds, hearts and souls. Understanding His Sacrifices for us, and knowing that there remains a debt, and a degree of sacrifice to be repaid and demanded of all of us.

God Bless you and yours,

Patrick Miron