Is the “Real Presence” Really Real?

by Patrick Miron

[1] How can we prove that the Eucharist is the body of Christ? [2] Is it cannibalism to say it’s Jesus flesh and blood? I know it isn’t myself but that’s the question my mum asked

Allow me to answer the second part first:

No it is not cannibalism; although that is precisely what some of the followers of Jesus was teaching thought, and therefore abandoned him as being a lunatic.

John 6:47-57 “[47] Amen, amen {MEANS: TRULY; TRULY} I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven[52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world[53] The Jews therefore strove {argued} among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you[55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. [56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed[57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.”  {Which is precisely what does take place in Catholic Holy Communion…. So mum’s question is a good one.} …..

1 For God time does not exist; past, present and future are ALL present to God all of time.

2 The Jesus we receive Catholic Holy Communion is the NOW GLORIFIED Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus {NOT the corporal Body, and Blood}

It is nevertheless the Real Jesus; Body; Blood; Soul and Divinity {the ENTIRE Christ.}

3 This article gives a brief and lucid explanation which I will expand greatly upon.

4 Now let’s skip to enf and the REST of the story.

John 6: 67-70 “ [67] After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. {Deserted; abandoned Him} [68] Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? [69] And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. [70] And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.

5 So now we can see that the necessary ingredient,{missing from those who LEFT Jesus; is} “Faith which comes from accepting Gods free OFFER of grace necessary to believe that which is not logically comprehensible; which is NOT to say that it cannot be proven.

The Eucharist {Real Presence} is actually two back to back miracles and a Mystery which I will explain.

“FAITH. The acceptance of the word of another, trusting that one knows what the other is saying and is honest in telling the truth. The basic motive of all faith is the authority (or right to be believed) of someone who is speaking. This authority is an adequate knowledge of what he or she is talking about, and integrity in not wanting to deceive. It is called divine faith when the one believed is God, and human faith when the persons believed are human beings. (Etym. Latin fides, belief; habit of faith; object of faith.)”…From Father John A. Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary

Rosemarie, do you know what Divine Providence is?

Divine Providence

“Traditional theism {belief in just one God} holds that God is the creator of heaven and earth, and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under Divine Providence — that is, under God’s sovereign guidance and control. According to believers, God governs creation as a loving father, working all things for good. Moreover, it is said, God is an absolutely perfect being. He is, first of all, omniscient or all-knowing: he knows of all truths that they are true, and of all falsehoods that they are false, whether they pertain to past, present or future. And God’s knowledge does not change. Nothing is learned or forgotten with him; what he knows, he knows from eternity and infallibly. Second, God is omnipotent or all-powerful: anything that is logically possible, he can do. Finally, God is perfectly good: in all circumstances he acts for the best, intending the best possible outcome””

My personal definition is a bit different. God is on our side so anytime He can be of assistance He just jumps right in. {I have personally experienced this often in my Ministry.} Below is an example; I just now sat down to begin my reply to you, and discovered that I had just received a new e-mail. I’m sharing it with you because it is ONE of the proofs that we can put forward. {Hence: Divine Providence}

Choose: Liar, Lunatic, or Lord

Readings for August 19, 2018

Proverbs 9:1-6
Psalm 34
Ephesians 5:15-20
John 6:51-58

www.dbro.com {Douay Bible FREE download, with SEARCH capability} PJM

“Christ either deceived mankind by conscious fraud, or He was Himself deluded and self-deceived, or He was Divine. There is no getting out of this trilemma. It is inexorable.”
Mark Hopkins, Lectures on the Evidences of Christianity, 1844

This threefold choice of Jesus’ divinity, later advanced in the writings of CS Lewis (and, more recently for the podcast viewing public, Fr. Mike Schmitz), says we must choose whether Jesus is a liar, lunatic, or Lord. Because he lays claim to being the Son of God, and because he asserts authority to forgive sins, and because he offers himself as “true food,” he cannot simply be a good teacher, a kind and loving religious leader, or an ecclesial role model.

In this Sunday’s Gospel passage from John, Jesus says “I am the Bread of Life,” which seemed an acceptable enough analogy after thousands of Jews were fed with a few barley loaves. But Jesus becomes more pointed, saying “the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world … my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.”

Wait … what? Jesus crosses the line from a happy metaphor about bread and delves into a bit of … lunacy, right? I mean, it sounds a bit like cannibalism. Did he mean what he said?

Apparently, he did. “As a result of this [teaching], many of his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.” (John 6:66) And when the disciples left, there is no scriptural reference to Jesus calling everyone back, saying “hold on, hold on. What I meant to say was …” And that is why I, as a Catholic view the Eucharist not only as a symbol or an analogy, but as Jesus’ true food containing the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.

Given the threefold choice between liar, lunatic, or Lord, the disciples who stopped following Jesus chose “lunatic.” The religious leaders of his day chose “liar.” To them, claiming to be the Son of God and claiming to have the power to forgive sins was blasphemy. I choose “Lord.” Whether touched by wisdom or, conversely, accepting of my simplicity, I know and believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Lord, the Son of the living God sent by the Father in expiation for my sins. I know and believe this because I see the workings of Christ’s Gospel every day. I know and believe this because I see his love, undeserved, poured out before me. And I know and believe this because I count myself as blessed to “taste and see the goodness of the Lord” even in this broken world (or, rather, especially in this broken world.)

As a believer, I would be both a lunatic and a liar to go back to my former way of life. Jesus is Lord and I want to live as he taught because I crave the living bread he offers me. I choose to accompany him on this earth so that I can be in full communion with him in glory. Join with me. “Glorify the Lord with me, let us together extol his name.”

Jesus, I know and believe you are the Christ, my Lord and savior. I accept the bread you offer and will drink of the cup so that I can be with you in paradise. In thanksgiving for your mercy on me, a sinner, I will forever sing your praise. Amen END QUOTES

This IS my favorite topic; and I have written extensively on it. So I can offer you a few options. Would you like the short course of the Lengthy course? {You’re call.}

In answer to mum’s great question; here are some basics

  1. God in order to BE God cannot lie

 

  1. Five different and separate authors of the New Testament give their personal testimony and then three of them witnessed it with their very Life. {Matthew, Paul and John whom they tried to BOIL in Oil which Jesus saved him from}, and Mark and Luke.

 

  1. It is important to know that the Entire Christ is PRESENT in both the Consecrated Host alone, and OR the Consecrated Cup of Wine/Blood, and in ANY, even the tiniest part of each.

 

  1. The original term for the Eucharist was: “Breaking of the Bread” and the Bible evidences that the Early RC Church which was at first called “The Way” fully accepted, believed and practiced this Faith-Belief; many too who gave their lives as martyrs, which GREATY spurred the growth of the early Church: If so many were willing to GIVE their life as testimony; then it MUST BE TRUE.

 

ACTS 2:41-43[41] They therefore that received his word, were baptized; and there were added in that day about three thousand souls. [42] And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.[43] And fear came upon every soul: many wonders also and signs were done by the apostles in Jerusalem, and there was great fear in all.”

Acts.9: [2] “and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem”

Acts.24: [14] “But this I admit to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets”

  1. Here are the five Bible passages:

 

Matt.26 Verses 26 to 28 [26] Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” [27] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

          Mk. 14: 22-24 “[22] And as they were eating, he took bread, and blessed, and           broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” [23] And he          took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank       of it. [24] And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

          Lk. 22:19-20 “Luke.22 Verses 19 to 20 [19] And he took bread, and when he          had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body    which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” [20] And likewise the         cup after supper, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new    covenant in my blood”

          John 6:47-57[47] Amen, amen {MEANS: TRULY; TRULY} I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of       life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are           dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if          any man eat of it, he may not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven[52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world[53] The         Jews therefore strove {argued} among themselves, saying: How can this       man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I           say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you[55] He that eateth my flesh, and        drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last      day. [56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink   indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me,       and I in him. 

Paul 1st. Cor, 11:23-30 “[23] For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, [24] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” [25] In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. [27] Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. [28] Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [29] For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. [30] That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.” {Spiritually: self- condemned to HELL}

6.    A sixth evidence is Eucharistic Miracles: Check out this site.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html/miracles

  1. The Eucharist is:

FROM the Father

OF the Son

BY the Holy Spirit

The process is termed either the Consecration and or Traunsbstanuation:

There are two consecutive miracles that take place before OUR VERY EYES {of faith}.

At the very Instant of the change {1} the priest is turned into “Alter Christus” {literally, another Christ} by the Holy Spirit; then it is the PRIEST empowered by God who actually changes with THESE WORDS, what WAS bread in the Entire Jesus {“This Is MY Body”}; then again the cup of what WAS wine {“This Is MY Blood”} into the very Blood of Jesus.

If one doubts this READ Matthew 10: 1-8

It is to be noted that by Christ intent, not everything commanded to be believed is logically or scientifically provable. THE PRACTICE OF RELIGIONS is commonly termed “ones “Faith”; precisely because “faith” in our God is the very ROOT of our religion.

 This belief is the very FOUNDATION of Catholicism {and no Catholicism + no Christianity}. From Our Catechism:

  1. The Eucharist– Sourceand Summit of Ecclesial Life

1324 The Eucharist is “the source and summit of the Christian life.”134 “The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” {sacrifice}

1327 In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: “Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking.”

  1. ADDING TO THIS MYSTERY

Even Jesus/ God can only die one time: therefore Christ Original Sacrifice is what is celebrated and RE-presented {NOT “represented}; Re- presented.

What are we saying here?

We are saying that mysteriously and miraculously at every Mass though out the World; it is the original Sacrifice on Calvary that is made PRESENT in our midst; time and time again in time immortal. ….What an AWESOME God we have!

If this information is in any way insufficient; please let me know. I have written very much on this topic and don’t wish to overwhelm you or mum so early in our friendship. But God and I ARE on your side.

God Bless you both; I LOVE questions,

Patrick

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2 thoughts on “Is the “Real Presence” Really Real?”

  1. Hey! I recognize that email!
    I always wonder why people refuse to believe the Eucharist but long to see Jesus “fact-to-face.” My parish has a perpetual adoration chapel, inviting me to actually see him, spend time with him, adore him. Every day I can receive him in the form and manner he spoke of. I believe. I see. I sense. I consume. My Jesus cannot be separated from me.

  2. WOW,

    I was Blessed for MANY years to be able to attend daily Mass.

    We too had a 24/7 Eucharistic Chapel, and what a Joy, What a BLESSING it was to spend time there,

    We ARE soooo loved and Blessed my friend,

    Patrick

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